Thursday, September 24, 2009

Interdyke


I don't even know what that header means, I just didn't want to be left out in the cold.

No, I'm not in Las Vegas. I keep saying I'm going to go to Interbike, and then I realize that there are roughly 674,904,783 places I'd rather go than Las Vegas. And if I wanted to hang out with BMXers, I'd ride my bike.

To keep this vaguely relevant, I'd just like to say that Macneil's going back to the 22.2mm seatpost standard because frame tubing is smaller now makes about as much sense as going back to 1" headtubes. Your move, Jay. (Or was that Silent Bob's idea?) Smaller-diameter seatposts aren't any lighter, but they're definitely weaker. So, on behalf of those of us who insist upon running more than .000005" of exposed seatpost, thank you for reducing the number of frame companies we'd consider by one.

(The bike in the photo above is what we presume will be shown at Interbike in 2012. The 3/8" axles in the front and rear save weight, as does the 1" headtube and the 22.2mm seatpost. The radical curve in said seatpost allows one to run a shorter frame, yet still keep one's weight centered further back. You'll also note the liberal use of chrome.)

114 comments:

Anonymous said...

well it was going to happen sooner or later. I guess I'll have to check it out tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Like,can you tell I am from B.C., like. Apparently weed does open your mind to new and inventive things.

Anonymous said...

Jay's history of the 1" post is hilarious, he doesn't have a clue.

DAKINS said...

I fail to see how a smaller diameter tube with the same wall thickness wouldn't be lighter.

Douglas said...

Weak post, this blog is dead. Very disappointed.

Stephen said...

the only thing more awesome would be if they would flute the bb shell to take a spanish bearing on one side and a mid on the other.

Anonymous said...

Except for the race frame. What the what?

Anonymous said...

i disagree with making parts lighter at the expense of strength but as dakins said, it absolutely has to be lighter if the seat tube and post are smaller in diameter without changing the thickness.

Anonymous said...

A larger diameter tube with the same weight (thinner walls) is stronger than a thinner tube. I guess MacNeil is all about "aesthetics" once again.

Russ said...

Yes, a smaller-diameter dube with the same wall thickness would be lighter. But if it's 2" long, what does it matter? I can't expect many—if any—companies will follow Macneil's "lead."

Russ said...

Hm, instead of making a one-piece headtube out of chromoly, I wonder whether you could manufacture a smaller headtube and fashion press-in bearing cups out of aluminum?

Noel said...

"The 3/8" axles in the front and rear save weight, as does the 1" headtube and the 22.2mm seatpost. The radical curve in said seatpost allows one to run a shorter frame, yet still keep one's weight centered further back."

This is why I love SPRFLS. So long since an update, though. Why hast thou forsaken us, Russ?!

Lettusdude said...

Why do we need another seat post size? One standard size across the board is something great about BMX. Other cycling disciplines such as mountain biking have several sizes. It's simply unneeded. Keep it at 1" please, for the sake of simplicity.

Smitty said...

I'm thinking that rather than copy MacNeil, we'll see another company come out with a 13/16" seat post size (Even lighter!)

"on behalf of those of us who insist upon running more than .000005" of exposed seatpost,"

-all 33 of us. Or maybe 34 if Dave Clymer is riding again...

"thank you for reducing the number of frame companies we'd consider by one."

-I'm pretty sure MacNeil can live with that.

I think this idea actually makes sense. Not for everybody and not for every bike model, but it has it's place. Maybe Jay did not explain the logic too well. The only advantage is when compared to a bike with a stubby 1" post - which is most of them today.

If the whole set-up is executed properly, I could see a savings of a couple of ounces when compared to a similarly equipped 1" set-up.

7/8" is not a totally new standard - 7/8" (or 22.2mm) posts in many different configurations are available from any general bike part distributor (granted, none of them would be welcome on MY bike, but still, there are options.)

Anonymous said...

7/8" posts are almost completely obsolete in general cycling. again, much like the spanish BB, the smaller, more aesthetic feature of the new macneil frame is putting fashion over function.

let's look at macneils contributions to BMX over the years:

Postive:
keeping Jay paid
pivitol posts
Metro jams
Ruben frame
sponsoring Dom Mach



Negative:
Silencer Bars
Hubs
Conjoined Cranks
ID Forks
Grip Rings
Allistair Whitton
employing Harrison Boyce
plastic bottom brackets

bill said...

Whats the difference really? Its not like seat-posts have a function anymore. An integrated pivitol post makes more sense than a slammed post. So why does a smaller diameter post matter really. The days of 2' seat posts (think Gary Ellis) are long gone. As long as the frame strength is maintained then i'm not opposed. Still, at this point I think integrated pivitol posts make more sense than a 1" stubby seat post.

robbosstache said...

macneil is about to start using trek's old frame jigs...this is just getting out in front of the pr battle.

youaintno said...

My seat is pretty low [probably 4" between the guts (yes, guts) and the seat clamp (yes, seat clamp)] but when I have ridden peoples' bikes with slammed seats, it feels so bad. You don't really notice it, but the seat does play a role in riding other than sitting and pedalling.

SeanMurphy said...
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SeanMurphy said...

definitely silent bob's idea

Mr B said...

oh my god, you guys will cry about anything.

Seriously what's the problem, macneil have made frames that suit their market - kids who want light frames and run their seet slammed.

Alright the seat tube may not be quite as stiff but who has ever snapped a seat tube? Also bigger diameter, smaller walls works in theory until you dent it and the thin wall has no strength.

They're not forcing this on you, the frames where they know people will run their seat higher, the race and deuce deuce are still 1" so really what's the problem?

Anonymous said...

^I've snapped a seat tube and a seat post. Do you want to know why? Because I ride like a fucking man, that's why.

Not everyone grows up and looks like a prepubescent faggot. I turned into a 200lbs, 6 foot 2 bike destroying ape and I would like some parts designed to suit me.

Now until someone can actually bother to do some maths (lord knows Macneil didn't bother)and say what the actual weight savings will be keeping all factors the same e.g. wall thickness's and lengths of both the post and seat tube it appears the weight savings are negligible. I'd do it but my head hurts from banging it against a brick wall.

Anonymous said...

OK I bothered to do the maths.

Assuming 8 inch seat tube and 3 inch seat post.
Assuming 6061 seat post of 0.0027g/mm³
Assuming 4130 seat tube of 0.0078g/mm³
Assuming wall thickness of seat post is 2.0mm
Assuming wall thickness of seat tube is 1.5mm

Weight savings = 28 grams or 0.062 lbs

Anonymous said...

of course you are banging your head against the wall, you are talking about buying bikes that are designed for little kids, frames that are made the same way that entry level bikes are made. the first bike you had as a young dude you either broke or bent and grew out of it, then you went back to the same company and bought a frame that is basically the same thing you just got rid of. I can think of only a handful of companies that are catering to those of us who need a better constructed frame our second or third bike, and it certainly isnt MacNeil.

Made in the USA is the only real answer.

Anonymous said...

^Um, you obviously don't know my bike history and shouldn't have assumed you did.

All USA made, all bought new, all broken in under 2 years, all from established companies, S&M, Kink, Metal, Hoffman, etc, etc. A new company each time.

USA made doesn't mean anything anymore.

Anonymous said...

i wasnt assuming to know anything I was speaking in general terms.

S&M doesnt have the greatest track record and some say a factory in Mexico. Maybe Im an idiot but Hoffman bikes are made in the US? Kink and Metal, you really bought that crap?

T1, Solid (obviously), Standard, FBM. These are all companies that are developing quality products and improving on them, yearly, monthly, if not week to week.

You want to be an asshole about it, we can turn this into TCU, you are buying image, thats clear enough by your choice of bike/frame in the past. You say your a big dude, buy a big dudes bike, not some sorry ass imitation pile of shit. Do you know Jimmy Levan is half a mental patient? You are trusting him to know what the hell he is doing?

You deserve what you get.

brien said...

Hoffman hasn't made a bike in the US since either '95 or '96. Kink hasn't made one in 4 or 5 years. Metal is done in the US, but they were made by Spooky, Maas (I think), and S&M. S&M's are no longer Mexican.

Smitty said...

Anonymous 9:04 AM,

I double-checked your "maths". I agree with your assumptions, I verified your densities, and I got the same answer.

About the only thing I can add to your assessment is to convert your figures to ounces - because that is probably the unit of measurement that most of us are comfortable with.

28 grams is approximately equal to 1 ounce.

So that is what MacNeil is saving by making the change: 1 ounce.
Their 2010 frames all got lighter by 1 ounce over their 2009 frames.

Seems like MacNeil must be putting more stock in the marketing aspect of being "innovative" and "unique" because there would probably would be an easier/less costly way to save 1 ounce, rather than open a new die to make a 7/8" Pivotal post, and change all the frame welding jigs to hold a smaller seattube.

Soooo...I guess I have been pursuaded to label this move "SPRFLS" but still will defend MacNeil's right to be different, if they want to be.

Anonymous said...

MacNeil has teamed up with a mountain bike company to make MTB bike components! GNAR.

Anonymous said...

i have been looking at all the photos from the interbike and the only difference in any of these frames seems to be the stickers and paint.

they must all order their completes from the same catalog.

sad.

macneil is fucking lame.

Anonymous said...

come on, say something about the short head tubes amd super tall bars! Quite silly..

Beau said...

I used to love this blog but it really has just fell apart, such a shame. On the bright side, this opens up a spot for Guesshermuff on my rss reader

Object said...

Is anyone going to question the extra material needed for the down/top & seat stays to fit the new smaller seatpost. Surely any weight saved on the seatpost would be put straight back on by the extra material in the other four tubes?

Anonymous said...

hoffman had usa made frames way later than 96. up until a couple of years ago.

brien said...

you've gotta be shitting me, dude above me

Anonymous said...

does that mean people are going to have to buy new seat posts if thet run one of these new macneil frames? That's retarded. I guess i now know what frame in not buying.

Anonymous said...

I like how people assume that everybody runs a slammed seat these days.

The people most likely to post bike checks regularly are the same who are most likely to run their shit slammed.

SAMFILMER said...

JAY MIRON SHOULD CHANGE HIS NAME TO JAY MORON what a fucking douche. anyone can make a seat tube smaller you fucking dickhead!

FUCK OFF SPRFLS IS GAY said...

AND FUCK SPRFLS its become superfluous! only 5 out of the 10,000 viewers of this blog know what tyhe word means anyway!

G.S.GUCCILIFE said...

Russ,what about S&M 20 pounds completes?(no titanium)

Anonymous said...

SPRFLS is a word?

-NNYMS

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Maybe Im an idiot but Hoffman bikes are made in the US? Kink and Metal, you really bought that crap?

T1, Solid (obviously), Standard, FBM. These are all companies that are developing quality products and improving on them, yearly, monthly, if not week to week.

Do you know Jimmy Levan is half a mental patient? You are trusting him to know what the hell he is doing?

You deserve what you get.

This post is in response to Anonymous questioning what I've broken. Once again you assume to much young grasshopper.

You are clearly new to riding and have no idea, take a history lesson.

Hoffman used to be made in the US, do some research. Kink used to have heavy street destroyer frames (Revision B for example), Metal used to be made by S&M.

I have also broken a T1 Progression an FBM Angel of Death and a Standard STA, so get fucked on that point too. Saying I am buying an image, get a grip I am an engineer I don't give a shit about image.

Finally you slag off Jimmy Levan.....there's no hope for you.

Anonymous said...

I have also broken a T1 Progression an FBM Angel of Death and a Standard STA, so get fucked on that point too. Saying I am buying an image, get a grip I am an engineer I don't give a shit about image.


I call bullshit on this whole paragraph, so now you have broken something like 10 frames and your an engineer and anything I type you come up with some way to top it, you are full of shit, its official.

t.f.a. said...

Russ, please never disable the anonymous posting ability ever again.

BTW: i attended the Interbike event as usual, saw the "inovative" new products and would love to give opinions but must remain NTRL.

Anonymous said...

can we please discuss the S&M WTF already!

G.S.GUCCILIFE said...

ROb-O off FIT...where are you RUss?

VW:comate

Anonymous said...

I heard that a company was showing off their new ceramic bolt on/flip down roller pegs made for street and light park...

Anonymous said...

I call bullshit on this whole paragraph, so now you have broken something like 10 frames and your an engineer and anything I type you come up with some way to top it, you are full of shit, its official.

Dude give it a rest. Why's it improbable that I have broken ten frames? I have been riding nearly 20 years, and I am big, I am not just some random kid.

Also why is it impossible that I am an engineer? I didn't say I am an astronaut.

You call bullshit after chatting a load of shit yourself. Don't post crap if you can't back it up, I can. Post your email address, I'll send you some pictures of broken frames if you want, I'll even write your name on them so you know it's legit.

Things break, you clearly don't know what you are talking about, you judge others on your own abilities or views, get over yourself and learn your lesson.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous is schooling.

Robert said...

Blog is dead

enough said

Jonny Bangsteed! said...

This blog is officially dead
Russ got must've got shot in the head
interbike came and went
and there was no SPRFLS vent
we sit and wait and hit refresh
instead of hitting up the sesh
Our posts are slammed, our rims are drilled
all because we were not filled
with knowledge spewed forth with vigor
also, the USA elected a black president.

The end.

t.f.a. said...

i see what you did there with that last verse...very clever.

Anonymous said...

Damn Russ, even t.f.a.'s still checkin' this shit, where you at?
And I just don't see how Afro-American rhymes with vigor...


Word Ver.-"etsionos"(Greek for update)

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Anonymous said...

Hey Russ,
A 20' 250L with front/back brakes and a freecoaster just left iowa on its way to broolyn for me. Can't wait to roll arround the city or out in long island. Loving the latest stuff in slam! Just went Raphel's(dribbling contests)house warming party and Al harrington was in attendance. He just bought a haro?????? Erin

Anonymous said...

Jonny Bangsteed! is racist!

Object said...

Russ, Come back.
If for nothing else that to rip on this:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://albes.blogs.com/albes_bmx_mail_order/images/2007/10/10/brake.jpg&imgrefurl=http://albes.blogs.com/albes_bmx_mail_order/2007/10/matt-sparks-bik.html&usg=__IU31NhIZytBYGNO6zsTpgn7MXAg=&h=666&w=470&sz=313&hl=en&start=33&um=1&tbnid=zWXnMkfgXAowvM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbmx%2Bbikecheck%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18%26um%3D1

we'dbmx said...

what happened here? http://fixedgeargallery.com/2009/oct/1/OliverMalagarriga.htm

Anonymous said...

URLs not working guys, got truncated.

we'dbmx said...

shit, copy and paste that link and turn the htm into an html at the end. RIDICULOUSLY GRUESOME GRIZZLE STICKS

Anonymous said...

Post on Fly renouncing their previously lighter frames.
"Don’t expect super light frames here. Stefan, Kevin wanted strong frames that you can rely on and don’t snap going big. We totally agree with them. Why you have to sacrify your frame and your neck for 200grs. / 7 oz.? It doesn’t make sense if you think about it. Both frames are on the 4.8 lb. mark witch is light enough." -flybikesbmx.com

Anonymous said...

come on russ,


manz's is waiting.

Miqq Jagg'r said...

Russ must have fell in the shitter and drowned.

Anonymous said...

russ must of forgot where his blog is now that its off the bmxfeed front page haha.

Anonymous said...

I think Miron went all Canadian Beast on Russ and tore his guts out. Dead blog, dead blog author.

t.f.a. said...

while i'm not one of those "need to be up-dated a dozen times a day with the most useless BMX information" people, i wouldn't mind more than one salty rant a month. maybe i'll have to ask for the pass word so i can fill in while Russ is MIA. yep, rock solid business plan: mock and bitch about all the companies you deal with then try to figure out why you're getting snubbed...i've got it all figured out.

Aw Tizzm said...

Where did this white boy go?

Anonymous said...

this blog is dead. and is now deleted from my favorites. damn shame.

Anonymous said...

Mate, russ, this blog is wicked man
I really like reading it...I'm well into the product side of thing s (I have to be)
don't kill it off!
I'm assuming it's all these little wankers over doing the hate bcos of the slow down?
Fair enough I guess it's frustrating...well I wish you the best anyway man
andy

bill said...

Put the smack-syringe down and back away from the meth-pipe. Your blog is dying. Dont you care? Cant you see what the drugs have done? You stopped caring. We are all here telling you to come back. Come back down to planet BMX and start bitching again. C'mon already!

Anonymous said...

bmx-tec is better than SPRFLS every was...

http://bmx-tec.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

bmx-tec? Nice try, but no thanks.

we'dbmx said...

i've said this once, i'll say it again. ANONYMOUS USERS: SHUT THE FUCK UP, DON'T BOTHER POSTING USELESS COMMENTS ABOUT NO BLOG ENTRIES. if you really want to get a response (an really you're not that anonymous, any person with minimum programming knowledge can find your fucking IP address if they wanted to). I really don't think russ really cares what you have to say anyway, and all these comments about not posting shit: UNLIKE YOU, MAYBE HE HAS SOMETHING TO DO FOR FUCK SAKES. get a fucking life. -ruthless

we'dbmx said...

btw, if you really want to get a fucking response, leave an email or username and I will send you endless meatspin links and tubgirl. idiots

John said...

hey man, get this bitch rollin again, i like this blog.

Anonymous said...

wow russ, you're breaking my heart. get something going on here...

Emeril Lagasse said...

What, you think you're better than us?

Mandlebaum said...

it's go time!

Emeril Lagasse said...

BAM

Anonymous said...

I found another blog, bmx tec.

Click Me said...

yeah you fucking suck...

Bobby Flay said...

Fuck you Emeril, I AM the Iron Chef.

Rachel Ray said...

I'll fuck both of you

Tim "The Toolman" Taylor said...

What a failure. Not even I could fix this blog.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Russ was arrested for molesting kids in his moms’ basement. creepy!

hacksawjimduggan said...

okay, i waited here long enough...
*delete*

Anonymous said...

dead or in prison

Anonymous said...

Didn't expect McNeil to outlive SPRFLS,or any two-bit catalogue company to outlive SPRFLS, the supposedly self proclamating saviour of BMX from itself.

Goddamnit, Russ. Get someone else to continue this blog to redeem yourself from the disgrace.

Get Couch from Bikeguide, he's salty and quite knowledgeable and funny at times to get this blog going.

Or get in contact with George French as a ghost writer in your blog using your online moniker,just like you sometimes did in the past.

There I said it.

Anonymous said...

George French smokes pole

Anonymous said...

I heard Russ went to Interbike and took a job as an industry insider.
Robo,who left Fit, hired Russ to help with his new Co.,Cvlt.

Anonymous said...

Russ got threatened by Leigh Ramsdell for making fun of the Grim Reaper, Suge Knight style. Bikes is dratstic!

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Russ Bengston said...

Fuck you Bikeguiders!

Go what you do best and whine all the redundant shit about useless freecoaster mods (Fcs are for sissies) and redundant 1mm of fucking Q factor, and all the redundant infinitissimal shit that you can whine about you fucking pricks!

Anonymous said...

Hold on to your big bars people!

SPRFLS will be back in due time. This is what I heard from Russ.

By the way the post above me wasn't made by Russ.

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Russ,not for nothing ,but there are pix floatin on the web,of De La ROsa,strikin poses with a fixed gear bike....

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Not cool dude, not cool...

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Still not cool...

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Voodoo Economics said...

bueller? bueller? bueller? bueller?
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Anonymous said...

Dissapointed to see this blog has died

kelly clarkson said...

ovarian cancer is nothing to joke about, Russ, get well soon..

Anonymous said...

come back i miss this blog soooooo much

the only fan said...

COME ON DUUUUUUUUUDE..............


I'll stay here as long as I have to.






fucking asshole.

Anonymous said...

Just Do It.

anonymous fan n#1 said...

Come on ,we miss you !

Milkster said...

Happy birthday toooooooo yooooooooooo!

Black armbands all round?